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so when does illit get an apology?
citizend13 on
But what does this do for Lebron’s legacy?
AfraidInspection2894 on
Anyone who has been following the case isn’t surprised. Despite what NJs have been saying, they have never produced any proof of legitimate mistreatment. Instead, they keep insisting that Hybe removing MHJ as CEO is a good enough reason to end their contract without paying any fees when it’s not. If NJs wants to leave Ador they should go through with a contract termination, pay their fees, and then move on with their lives.
goodguyCJ on
Court dismissed, bring in the dancing lobsters.
Sunset-Equation092 on
I’ve seen it happen before. Some people will do anything and even put themselves into debt just to maintain appearances. It’s obvious at this point they just have too much pride.
They just look sad now. They stood by a rich, greedy CEO who lost a sexual harassment case and now started a new agency without them.
Life will go on but they’ll be spending their 20s in lawsuits and appeals. It’s much easier to apologize at this point. Being humble and making mistakes isn’t so bad. What’s wrong is doubling-down when you’ve been proven wrong several times by now.
kosmos1209 on
Not sure why they are appealing, this looks like a clean sweep against them. They can sit out until the contract expires, but why waste more money on legal fees when they have snowballs chance of the appeal going through?
Many-Ad-9007 on
I am not surprised. They cannot prove that they are mistreated. They signed the contract themselves. I am not surprised they want to drag this longer too.
Sunset-Equation092 on
>The court also found that HYBE’s audit of former CEO Min Hee Jin—who had launched a media offensive with exposés alleging that ILLIT and LE SSERAFIM copied NewJeans—**was lawful**
Maybe they can stop calling it an illegal audit now 🙄
idohaveaheadache on
About to wake up to new btsseraillit “knetz said” antichrist allegations tomorrow
snowmoon300 on
There must have been mass brainwashing because in what world was that alleged ignore situation used as mistreatment to bully another group of young girls. when you think about how things unfolded it’s very sad. they should have just terminated theri contract and joined another agency w/ MHJ if they wanted to leave that much
viabella on
Confirmation that there was virtually zero legal merit to any of their arguments. I really hope the girls and their parents seek additional legal opinions about their next steps – they’re only going to tank whatever is left of their career potential if they keep pulling what could only be described as publicity stunts for MHJ.
hydranoid1996 on
At some point these girls are going to have to accept the loss. Appeals don’t tend to look at new evidence, they just ensure everything already presented is looked at appropriately and the cases ruled appropriately.
Based on the fact that absolutely nothing has gone the way of newjeans, and no one at any point in the legal profession )outside of their own lawyers) has indicated that they had a chance, appealing is just another sink of money that they’re gonna have to pay back to ador at some point on top of the termination fee when it gets to that point
JustAPerson-_- on
This is really going nowhere for them
jqiwyoxn on
They’ll end up spending all their earnings just to pay ADOR’s legal fees.
FairyOrchid125 on
No one with a modicum of sense could see any other outcome. If their antics had been declared legal the entire contract based system of doing business in SK would’ve collapsed. High level engineers at Hyundai, designers at Samsung, would’ve been able to just la-dee-dah out the door because they felt some kind of way on that particular day and someone waiting in the wings was offering more.
What are they hoping to gain by appealing? They won’t win that either.
Furthermore, if you’re an entertainment company would you sign a contract with them knowing their history? I know that to them contracts mean nothing but in the real world they mean everything. Now they’re right back where they started. Return to ADOR or pay to leave. I wonder of that woman’s new company has the money to pay ADOR?
Anyway let’s all do the “I told you so” dance and see what shenanigans come next.
purpletulip12 on
Wild news day
Sarah_13020 on
When will NJ fans stop being blindful about the real devil in this case, which is the woman who dragged them to this unnecessary legal battle??? They sacrificed their career and reputation for her while she’s not doing any of that, and already moving on with her life while they are stuck.
mind you, they VOLUNTEERLLY put themselves in hiatus for her. They are ( were ) scared of being of being shelved, but surprise, look who actually managed to did it and still takes zero blame.
Taeyeon_Nolto on
Surprise Surprise
lunaticarchitect on
I mean anyone who knew just the basic facts of this whole thing could see this outcome coming from a mile away. Like they didn’t have a single shred of hard evidence. And personal feelings were never going to win a court case.
It’s a shame they have ruined their careers over a woman who, from what we’ve seen, could not care less about them.
lemonade-cookies on
Not shocked. What comes next is obviously more lawsuits, but I don’t see those realistically going anywhere. We don’t know what their contract looks like- whether it just requires exclusivity or if it requires them working- but either way, they’ll want out of Hybe/Ador. Couple of options for that. The first is that they mediate something with Hybe to reduce the contract termination, but I guarantee that would include a non-compete clause. Other option is that they somehow buy out their contract- probably with an investor, either to them or for MHJ’s new label.
Even though this lawsuit was obviously doomed from the start and they did not go about this in a legally smart way, I still hope the best for the girls, no matter what that looks like. They’re all still very young and have their entire lives in front of them.
Sunset-Equation092 on
It’s naive some Bunnies think MHJ is waiting for NewJeans.
Her building is under construction. Do you really think she’ll let her shiny, brand new building in Seoul be empty for several years?
TheGuyOver on
Anyone with a working set of brain cells could have told you this was going to be the result. How many different judges are going to have to eviscerate NJ’s wafer-thin arguments until they realize they got nothing? And ain’t nothing going to change with the appeal either. We all know that’s going to be another L for them. Just racking up L after L like it’s their new hobby. Waste of everyone’s time. Lying on the train tracks just to appease a known workplace harasser/abuser like MHJ.
STRAVDIUS on
how to pretend to be surprised? my clairvoyance ability predicts this long ago, and I don’t want to be outed as psychics
Passmethechips on
The most predictable outcome ever.
LeadInfamous1760 on
Before ador or hybe these girls were Source Music trainees, right? Basically, their ceiling was Gfriend, and there was no guarantee they would become as popular. Those first two years of peak success really went to their heads.
NjxNaDxb on
If a judge invites you to mediation meetings and you decide not to show up, not once but twice, do not expect a positive ruling.
I think Ador / Hybe lawyers had one of the easiest case on their end.
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bajibestboi on
this case was always a little funny to me im sry. Cause just thinking i can go to the national assembly to say i feel wronged because my coworker didn’t greet me is crazy. Me and my colleagues would be suing each other everyday. Also imagine quitting and breaching your contract just cause the ceo got dismissed, like as long as i’m getting paid idrc. Tbh rich people play around too much.
Plenty-Ad4589 on
Can anyone with better knowledge of contract law and korean law speak to the tokki belief that the girls can simply ignore that the contracts are valid and do nothing without facing penalties because korean workers “cant be forced to work” by law.
Like, I get the idea you cant force them to go places but I dont understand the belief these large accounts seem to have that you can simply ignore things youre contractually obligated to fulfill indefinitely with no recourse
Desirsar on
If they want a “our terms get better if we get more popular than a certain metric” clause, they should negotiate that a the start. Only someone inside can truly say if the agency is mistreating them, but it definitely smells like they found out how much more revenue they generate than they get paid.
cwarosvski on
I really hate to be taking up for corporations, but MHJ really convinced NewJeans that they were bigger than the program, they were never in a position to be making demands of Hybe.
Flaky-Cable-2995 on
They should terminate their contract last yr and pay the fine..
sivy83 on
Oh it’s over over
Stormbraeker on
There goes the farm, it was good while it lasted the music was spot on but pride cometh before the fall, at this point I would seek other forms of occupation because nobody will bother with them, not even advertisers or their fashion contracts would want to support them.
NightBossman on
I don’t know if this makes me a bad person, but I feel satisfied with this verdict. Everyone outside their fandom couldn’t find these alleged reasons for their mistreatment, and it turns out that every judge in the series who has already handled the case couldn’t find them either. Who would have thought that this pathetic crying on display for the cameras had no legal force…
krizardxv on
for the love of god MHJ need to repay NJ loyalty by let them go, you killing their career.
ponponderp on
they just don’t wanna pay…
was a whole matter of public opinion to get people on their side and this is the result – the most vocal people against this fell for it all
high-key every other group or members that had a successful case against their management kept it quiet and didnt use other groups as reasons to determine they need to end their contracts, the “unfair” treatment is like night and day for idols who literally can’t do anything bc of real mistreatment going on- but in those instances you should build up your case first before taking the action vs getting the public to side with you on just vibes.
sigh. le sserafim really had such a rough 2024 and seeing their concert this year made me honestly proud of them for bouncing back after the backlash and smear campaign against them. Idk how newjeans/njz can bounce back in that way where they ruined trust and end up being the bullies they claimed they were being mistreated for
sorry this just ended up being a whole rant, and honestly kpop as a whole needs to do better but that would take more than whatever the hell this situation is
Ill-Working3503 on
Idk much but is it possible that their contracts will be extended? Cause NJs pretty much wasted their year doing nothing as NewJeans.
throwaway_afterusage on
it gets to a point…
Dill7teen on
lol
ScarletViolin on
I don’t think this was a surprising result, but I just hope that things can be somewhat amicably resolved, whether it be some sort of agreement on allowing earlier termination or a reduced fee (with of course a presumed non-compete).
I don’t know NJ members personally and don’t truly know their full lived experiences. I can’t judge them for wanting a certain result and trying everything in their power to attain it. I do worry about the optics and precedents that were set though. I can only hope that any kpop members who feel wronged can still speak out and at the same time that fair and diligent reviews and judgements are passed.
I will not miss the discussions on this topic. Kpop drama and especially the discourse honestly makes me less and less enthused in kpop in general, but I’m hoping that its because I only see the vocal minority.
JenyRobot on
Well they effed around and found out.
Buttzgaki on
in the future when we look up “fumbled the bag” in the dictionary it’ll just be a picture of everybody involved in this nonsense
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so when does illit get an apology?
But what does this do for Lebron’s legacy?
Anyone who has been following the case isn’t surprised. Despite what NJs have been saying, they have never produced any proof of legitimate mistreatment. Instead, they keep insisting that Hybe removing MHJ as CEO is a good enough reason to end their contract without paying any fees when it’s not. If NJs wants to leave Ador they should go through with a contract termination, pay their fees, and then move on with their lives.
Court dismissed, bring in the dancing lobsters.
I’ve seen it happen before. Some people will do anything and even put themselves into debt just to maintain appearances. It’s obvious at this point they just have too much pride.
They just look sad now. They stood by a rich, greedy CEO who lost a sexual harassment case and now started a new agency without them.
Life will go on but they’ll be spending their 20s in lawsuits and appeals. It’s much easier to apologize at this point. Being humble and making mistakes isn’t so bad. What’s wrong is doubling-down when you’ve been proven wrong several times by now.
Not sure why they are appealing, this looks like a clean sweep against them. They can sit out until the contract expires, but why waste more money on legal fees when they have snowballs chance of the appeal going through?
I am not surprised. They cannot prove that they are mistreated. They signed the contract themselves. I am not surprised they want to drag this longer too.
>The court also found that HYBE’s audit of former CEO Min Hee Jin—who had launched a media offensive with exposés alleging that ILLIT and LE SSERAFIM copied NewJeans—**was lawful**
Maybe they can stop calling it an illegal audit now 🙄
About to wake up to new btsseraillit “knetz said” antichrist allegations tomorrow
There must have been mass brainwashing because in what world was that alleged ignore situation used as mistreatment to bully another group of young girls. when you think about how things unfolded it’s very sad. they should have just terminated theri contract and joined another agency w/ MHJ if they wanted to leave that much
Confirmation that there was virtually zero legal merit to any of their arguments. I really hope the girls and their parents seek additional legal opinions about their next steps – they’re only going to tank whatever is left of their career potential if they keep pulling what could only be described as publicity stunts for MHJ.
At some point these girls are going to have to accept the loss. Appeals don’t tend to look at new evidence, they just ensure everything already presented is looked at appropriately and the cases ruled appropriately.
Based on the fact that absolutely nothing has gone the way of newjeans, and no one at any point in the legal profession )outside of their own lawyers) has indicated that they had a chance, appealing is just another sink of money that they’re gonna have to pay back to ador at some point on top of the termination fee when it gets to that point
This is really going nowhere for them
They’ll end up spending all their earnings just to pay ADOR’s legal fees.
No one with a modicum of sense could see any other outcome. If their antics had been declared legal the entire contract based system of doing business in SK would’ve collapsed. High level engineers at Hyundai, designers at Samsung, would’ve been able to just la-dee-dah out the door because they felt some kind of way on that particular day and someone waiting in the wings was offering more.
What are they hoping to gain by appealing? They won’t win that either.
Furthermore, if you’re an entertainment company would you sign a contract with them knowing their history? I know that to them contracts mean nothing but in the real world they mean everything. Now they’re right back where they started. Return to ADOR or pay to leave. I wonder of that woman’s new company has the money to pay ADOR?
Anyway let’s all do the “I told you so” dance and see what shenanigans come next.
Wild news day
When will NJ fans stop being blindful about the real devil in this case, which is the woman who dragged them to this unnecessary legal battle??? They sacrificed their career and reputation for her while she’s not doing any of that, and already moving on with her life while they are stuck.
mind you, they VOLUNTEERLLY put themselves in hiatus for her. They are ( were ) scared of being of being shelved, but surprise, look who actually managed to did it and still takes zero blame.
Surprise Surprise
I mean anyone who knew just the basic facts of this whole thing could see this outcome coming from a mile away. Like they didn’t have a single shred of hard evidence. And personal feelings were never going to win a court case.
It’s a shame they have ruined their careers over a woman who, from what we’ve seen, could not care less about them.
Not shocked. What comes next is obviously more lawsuits, but I don’t see those realistically going anywhere. We don’t know what their contract looks like- whether it just requires exclusivity or if it requires them working- but either way, they’ll want out of Hybe/Ador. Couple of options for that. The first is that they mediate something with Hybe to reduce the contract termination, but I guarantee that would include a non-compete clause. Other option is that they somehow buy out their contract- probably with an investor, either to them or for MHJ’s new label.
Even though this lawsuit was obviously doomed from the start and they did not go about this in a legally smart way, I still hope the best for the girls, no matter what that looks like. They’re all still very young and have their entire lives in front of them.
It’s naive some Bunnies think MHJ is waiting for NewJeans.
Her building is under construction. Do you really think she’ll let her shiny, brand new building in Seoul be empty for several years?
Anyone with a working set of brain cells could have told you this was going to be the result. How many different judges are going to have to eviscerate NJ’s wafer-thin arguments until they realize they got nothing? And ain’t nothing going to change with the appeal either. We all know that’s going to be another L for them. Just racking up L after L like it’s their new hobby. Waste of everyone’s time. Lying on the train tracks just to appease a known workplace harasser/abuser like MHJ.
how to pretend to be surprised? my clairvoyance ability predicts this long ago, and I don’t want to be outed as psychics
The most predictable outcome ever.
Before ador or hybe these girls were Source Music trainees, right? Basically, their ceiling was Gfriend, and there was no guarantee they would become as popular. Those first two years of peak success really went to their heads.
If a judge invites you to mediation meetings and you decide not to show up, not once but twice, do not expect a positive ruling.
I think Ador / Hybe lawyers had one of the easiest case on their end.
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this case was always a little funny to me im sry. Cause just thinking i can go to the national assembly to say i feel wronged because my coworker didn’t greet me is crazy. Me and my colleagues would be suing each other everyday. Also imagine quitting and breaching your contract just cause the ceo got dismissed, like as long as i’m getting paid idrc. Tbh rich people play around too much.
Can anyone with better knowledge of contract law and korean law speak to the tokki belief that the girls can simply ignore that the contracts are valid and do nothing without facing penalties because korean workers “cant be forced to work” by law.
Like, I get the idea you cant force them to go places but I dont understand the belief these large accounts seem to have that you can simply ignore things youre contractually obligated to fulfill indefinitely with no recourse
If they want a “our terms get better if we get more popular than a certain metric” clause, they should negotiate that a the start. Only someone inside can truly say if the agency is mistreating them, but it definitely smells like they found out how much more revenue they generate than they get paid.
I really hate to be taking up for corporations, but MHJ really convinced NewJeans that they were bigger than the program, they were never in a position to be making demands of Hybe.
They should terminate their contract last yr and pay the fine..
Oh it’s over over
There goes the farm, it was good while it lasted the music was spot on but pride cometh before the fall, at this point I would seek other forms of occupation because nobody will bother with them, not even advertisers or their fashion contracts would want to support them.
I don’t know if this makes me a bad person, but I feel satisfied with this verdict. Everyone outside their fandom couldn’t find these alleged reasons for their mistreatment, and it turns out that every judge in the series who has already handled the case couldn’t find them either. Who would have thought that this pathetic crying on display for the cameras had no legal force…
for the love of god MHJ need to repay NJ loyalty by let them go, you killing their career.
they just don’t wanna pay…
was a whole matter of public opinion to get people on their side and this is the result – the most vocal people against this fell for it all
high-key every other group or members that had a successful case against their management kept it quiet and didnt use other groups as reasons to determine they need to end their contracts, the “unfair” treatment is like night and day for idols who literally can’t do anything bc of real mistreatment going on- but in those instances you should build up your case first before taking the action vs getting the public to side with you on just vibes.
sigh. le sserafim really had such a rough 2024 and seeing their concert this year made me honestly proud of them for bouncing back after the backlash and smear campaign against them. Idk how newjeans/njz can bounce back in that way where they ruined trust and end up being the bullies they claimed they were being mistreated for
sorry this just ended up being a whole rant, and honestly kpop as a whole needs to do better but that would take more than whatever the hell this situation is
Idk much but is it possible that their contracts will be extended? Cause NJs pretty much wasted their year doing nothing as NewJeans.
it gets to a point…
lol
I don’t think this was a surprising result, but I just hope that things can be somewhat amicably resolved, whether it be some sort of agreement on allowing earlier termination or a reduced fee (with of course a presumed non-compete).
I don’t know NJ members personally and don’t truly know their full lived experiences. I can’t judge them for wanting a certain result and trying everything in their power to attain it. I do worry about the optics and precedents that were set though. I can only hope that any kpop members who feel wronged can still speak out and at the same time that fair and diligent reviews and judgements are passed.
I will not miss the discussions on this topic. Kpop drama and especially the discourse honestly makes me less and less enthused in kpop in general, but I’m hoping that its because I only see the vocal minority.
Well they effed around and found out.
in the future when we look up “fumbled the bag” in the dictionary it’ll just be a picture of everybody involved in this nonsense