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  1. I’m not even joking when I’m surprised this writer didn’t give it a 1.0, extremely unprofessional person.

  2. ChloePowersIRL on

    The reviewer is an obnoxious hater. I’m not that mad honestly. Was expecting less

  3. About what I’d rate it as well. To be clear, because I guess I have to, I don’t agree with the excessively critical takes this reviewer presents, I just agree with the rating score. I gave it a real honest go multiple times but I walked away with 2 songs in my playlist. It just didn’t really feel like a comeback album. Not saying it’s terrible or anything. But the weight of the wait and the concept they put out didn’t match up to what was delivered.

    I think there’s just a disconnect with pop albums coming out right now in general. The new Harry Styles record, the Bruno record. Nothing’s sticking or connecting.

  4. shipisshipping on

    I usually don’t comment of reviews all have diff opinion but isn’t this the same person who is weird towards bts and another idols?

  5. Difficult_Deer6902 on

    I still think this album is better than MOTS:7 so unfortunately can not agree on this.

    Pitchfork seems quite 5 enthusiastic this year in terms of big pop releases (Harry, Bruno now BTS). Im stating to think their actual number system doesn’t make much sense when looking year-over-year. Some years its the 6 range as the go to default.

    I personally don’t agree with the constant need to judge is BTS too westernized especially with songs on an album that speak to their own experiences, but alas to each his or her own.

    Acting like No.29 is the most interesting song on an album. That’s a choice.

    I wonder if the reviewer even read the lyrics for some of these songs. He seems to think the only culturally relevant songs are Body to Body & No.29, while leaving out songs like Aliens. That is a song about their BTS lived experiences being othered in the US and has multiple cultural references too. I mean I would give it a 6 just for calling out ā€œpeople with those big eyesā€ Did he even read it?

    Edit: I was informed the reviewer is Korean, so I removed my note about reading translations. I still believe omitting songs like Aliens weakens the argument he makes around Body-to-Body and No. 29.

  6. tsumaddict91 on

    Wow. Thought he’d give them even lower. I don’t consider him credible so whatever

  7. astroromantic_ on

    Might get whacked for this but this is honestly a fair review. The album could’ve been a lot more meaningful, something I realized after reading Howard University’s article, but what we got sort of just feels like another derivative, messy K-pop album where Black culture gets commodified and the songs lack cohesion sonically and thematically (not to mention that the lyrics aren’t the best which I think could’ve been prevented if there was more Korean, since BTS is so popular having subpar English lyrics kind of just doesn’t go well, especially with the Western audience, but of course not everyone cares about deep lyrics so to each their own). Btw Body to Body really should’ve been the title track oml😭 Like literally the Arirang sample is perfect aside the song being a 10/10 banger

  8. interstellararabella on

    >ā€œBTS could only crumble under the pressure. ARIRANG is the sound of their collapse.ā€

    How dramatic

  9. i’m not on twitter other than to buy photocards, but i saw some people talking about this guy acting up on there, and omg? i guess i’ve been out of the loop because i’m genuinely shocked to see what he’s saying, seemingly unprompted. like, why would he tweet [this](https://x.com/misterminsoo/status/2035888474557939714?s=20) after sharing that he’s reviewing their album? or quote himself with [this](https://x.com/misterminsoo/status/2035351761720938620?s=20) just to troll bts fans? jeez bad vibes…

    i don’t engage much with critical journalism of any kind and everyone is entitled to their opinion, so i’m not commenting on that—just taken aback by the sns stuff (āŠ™ļøæāŠ™)

  10. I just talked about how pitchfork’s reviews are ridulous when they reviewed Harry’s album few days ago. Lemme just quote my own [comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/SwiftlyNeutral/comments/1rp2j92/comment/o9i6piw/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button).

    >Pitchfork’s reviews are way too unserious for me. It’s like someone is trying to be sassy šŸ’…šŸ» with each and every line wishing people would quote them. There’d be may be one or two line actually talking about the quality of the album.

    And I still stand by that.

  11. romanticdrift on

    I really disagree with him. I think his criticisms on some of the overproduction and genre plays are fair enough, but there is plenty of fire and heart to the delivery and specifically the LYRICS of some of the songs. Honestly, from the review, it seems like he didn’t bother to read the lyrics, and I feel like that’s just not how you can properly review BTS.

    That so many Western critics have failed to pick up the defiance of the lyrics of Aliens, and how it serves as an extension of the song Arirang (a song of resistance as much as longing for home), is baffling to me. But maybe proves the points BTS makes in it.

  12. 50shadesof_brown on

    I don’t know man, I haven’t enjoyed a BTS project this much in a *long* time. I know everyone was expecting heavy-hitting conceptual music, but the lads wanted to have fun, you know?

    I don’t think it’s necessarily a bad thing for BTS to experiment with different sounds (albeit this sounding very much like Dark & Wild’s big sister) and why is it so detrimental that they created a project for the āš”ļøvibes āš”ļø

    The bar when it comes lyrical depth has been set very high by BTS, probably why this falls flat for some? Even then, this is miles ahead of what’s out there today (seriously, do look up the lyrics and annotations if you haven’t)

    Also maybe because I LOVE the Hiphop producers on this album, this has gone straight platinum in my house. lol.

    Edit: You guys are downvoting anything remotely positive (pardon me for liking something, shudder) then turn around and call us toxic. Pick a lane 😭

  13. blueocean0517 on

    Geez starting with ā€œThe most fascinating song on ARIRANG features little more than 98 seconds of silenceā€, and ending with ā€œARIRANG is the sound of their collapseā€. That’s kind of harsh ngl.

  14. Consuela_no_no on

    He could give them a 10/10 and it still would have no relevance when he’s shown himself to be an actual hater. It’s just pathetic to see people bending over backward to defend him and his comments just because BTS is getting the brunt of it.

  15. gourmet_panini on

    As expected from this reviewer

    Edit: Here are some of his previous reviews to contextualize this score.

    Lisa ā€œAlter Egoā€- 5.2

    Jennie ā€œRubyā€ -7.1

    SNSD ā€œForever 1ā€ – 7.2

    Red Velvet ā€œQueendomā€- 6.7

    Also his tweet saying BTS invented ā€œgarbage musicā€. Big Yikes

  16. flawedconstellation on

    i don’t agree with everything he says, but for the most part, this feels like a fair enough review. i wish he fleshed out why he didn’t like some of those songs in that one paragraph where he was just listing off problems with the songs. i agree about hooligan & body to body being highlights, and 2.0 & they don’t know ’bout us being the more underwhelming tracks. with little knowledge about the author, he does seem to have the credibility to write the review, though, being of korean origin (he can understand the cultural implications in a way other journalists could not). i would give the album closer to a 6 on the pitchfork scale, but well, you have to temper your expectations with pitchfork.

  17. Dollybadlands on

    Jesus, this reads like a medium article with a few classist and pretentious words thrown in to make it sound like they have any constructive or thoughtful critique.

  18. I have my own criticisms with this album as many but ultimately enjoyed it. It’s always interesting to read something so obviously written with a presumptive high ground of taste above the art they are reviewing, the snark undertones throughout ultimately do not present it as a critical analysis but patronising… maybe it’s just me but there’s a level of second hand embarrassment I feel when you read criticism so embroiled in getting out cutting one liners it taints even subjective criticism so blatantly

  19. creative007- on

    He’s been a salty kpop fan for years and was especially gleeful about getting to score Arirang low, so we knew what to expect (credibility zero @pitchfork). I don’t value this twat’s opinion at all. Moving onĀ 

  20. Am not even a blackpink fan or a Harry’s fan but the reason I can’t take his reviews seriously is because he just rage baits you into interacting with him by being purposefully infuriating like lmao the review he gave to lisa’s album??? Might as well have called her a dumbass 🄓🄓

    Like, he’s an ass and hostile and then turns around and it’s like “well yeah is my job” like sure buddy but if you’re gonna trash talk and dress it up like a review/critique least you could do is own it! When I’m being an ass I own up to it bc tf I look like right like he clearly has a bias and that’s great but that still makes him an ass lol

  21. This “critic” Who reviewed this album literally hates bts and he’s been going crazy on Twitter 😭 I’m not taking his ass seriously

  22. CupcakeEqual6096 on

    kpop stans are about to ignore all the positive feedbacks and have a field day with this one review that is written by someone who is known for having a negative bias against bts and acts like a little child in stantwt. have fun with one bad pitchfork review i gusss

  23. vodkaorangejuice on

    I remember when he reviewed Lisa’s album and everyone here is like well yeah he is correct the album sucks, and how his Deadline review was ‘generous’ but now when you don’t agree its ‘oh this guy just talks a lot of shit he is a known hater’?

    So he is a known hater yet you gleefully ate up his reviews when its for artists you hate

  24. pitchfork are known to be critical on even the tiniest things but i honestly have to say like 85% of this review is about what i wrote in my notes app while listening to the album song by song. i likened the album to watching sand pouring in an hourglass.

    -lyrical depth is near zero
    -singing about doing something with someone but never actually describing what they really want
    -even though, yes, we know what they are singing about
    -emotionless to where the listener can’t connect with what is being said with dreary, bleak vocals and repeated lyrics (everything lit it’s fireeeeee….)
    -rap sections run in circles
    -could not tell who was singing half the time because of the over processed autotune. and honestly, auto tune isn’t a bad thing, it just missed the mark here imo. i picked out jin’s voice once on first listen and cheered

    the only decent thing about the album was some of the beats. the beat in swim with that gorgeous melody overlay was goooooood. but the song needed something more. (did i read correctly that jimin said he didn’t want swim to be the single, or had doubts about it? please correct me if im wrong or misinterpreted that. im curious as to why in an objective way, not a way to poke the bear. what did he want as the single?)

    i listened to less than a handful of kpop songs before bts sucked me in, as i’m sure they did with lots of us. but this isn’t comparable to the lyrical prowess some of them are known to possess. and i wonder how proud they truly are of it. if they are happy with what they produced, good for them. but yeah idk ive never felt like i was being clowned by an album before. seriously wasn’t sure if it was real 3/4 of the way through.

    if you like the album, do enjoy. sincerely (not sarcasm bc yeah still shocked).

  25. museinprogress on

    Dont take this seriously guys. This dude is known for being harsh. He was mean to Lisa too if I remember right

  26. I enjoyed this album less than I would have liked and there are some valid points in the review, but the gleeful declaration of their imminent demise is cheap rage bait. This is why I cannot take Pitchfork seriously.

  27. Dry_Physics4086 on

    you can tell who’s bitter about the album comeback in this thread by figuring how who is so desperate to legitimize this nutjob and the fact that he rated deadline higher than this.

    it’s just an anti they give all kpop music to, some of these kpop subs want bts to be bad so badly it’s sad. there’s actual flaws with this comeback and then there’s you guys hoping desperately for imaginary issues and hyping up haters

  28. Sea_Examination5992 on

    Considering Map of the Soul 7 and Map of the Soul Persona got scores of 6 from Pitchfork, I’ve realized their subjective taste is very different from mine.

  29. Ok_Mathematician262 on

    well not surprised considering he’s been crashing out on stan twitter for days now. kinda embarrassing for pitchfork tho the way he’s acting publicly. would be a lot easier to take this review seriously if i didn’t know the writer is a dud looking for clicks on in the internet. didn’t know pitchwork looking for new hires in snark subs.

  30. Pitchfork losing their credibility by hiring well known BTS anti for this specifically. This guy must have thought he did something showing his obvious hate in review. Also does he think less of other music critics by giving lowest review among them?

  31. I find this review to be lazy and quite frankly nothing he said is unique. There are better written reviews (who are just as critical so my comment isn’t about numbers) by Korean reviewers writing for Korean publications. See this example: https://www.realzenerate.com/review_btsarreng/

    The story of the bell and the theme of BTS sacrificing for their country is found in the above Korean reviewer, but better articulated and with more depth. I think this guy just read all those Korean reviews and regurgitated this crap out.

    I don’t care about low scores. Nothing critics say will change my mind about an album. I’m more interested if a critic has any interesting or insightful analysis to contribute to the discourse surrounding the album. This guy doesn’t. He simply prefers to be mean and clickbaity.

  32. Sometimes people are so blatantly trying too hard to be against the pack that it just becomes funny, what a silly review

  33. Charming-Bowl5759 on

    calling this album westernized but not calling Jennies full english album westernized…i see how it is

  34. the moment an album review uses the term western validation the entirety of the piece becomes invalid to me

  35. Pitchfork publishing a music review from the person who openly hates BTS is definately a choice and calling this album a pop one makes me wants to question if he even listened to it or not.

    He is not engaging with this album with a good faith from the start, if you check his twitter account amd his long history of him not liking BTS. Their is a very snarky tone to it and it feels like he copy pasted lines from snark sub. Good for him.

    Also calling Teezo that, just weird

  36. TupacYupanqi on

    Stop giving pitchfork importance and just enjoy music, the more importance You give them they feel more empowered to do this

  37. Watching the polarization surrounding this album is so fascinating. An album that manages to make some hate it and some adore it is at minimum doing something interesting! And that’s what art is.

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